Hammer and Pickle
1:13 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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Calling him “Bozzer” or “Bozza” and lololololing like a teenager is not going to make him any less evil or any less utterly incompetent. You can even be a Tory to take this on board. All you need is a basic respect for the real world and a healthy suspicion of nutjob cultism.
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mashed in maryland
1:06 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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master 10:16 Thu Sep 19
Bullshit, the entire thing is evil Tory bastard Bozzer's fault. Personally.
Just like if my Virgin Media connection goes a bit funny cos of the weather or a power issue I expect Richard Branson to come round and fix it and perform seppuku.
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southbankbornnbred
12:49 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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Mike,
NHS pay rises have been effectively capped for a few years - thgis year was the first for a while where the Treasury's grip on it was loosened slightly.
I agree with you, up to a point, about ring-fencing certain parts of budgets. But the flip side is that you lose the autonomy that local NHS doctors, managers and consultants have to shape services according to local need etc.
I get really bored by debates about the NHS "post code lottery" - usually taken to mean different outcomes within the NHS according to where you live - when actually what that often means in practice is that different localities facing different challenges divide up their resources accordingly. To make an obvious point, obesity is quite clearly a huge ('scuse the pun) issue for the NHS in some parts of the country than in others - so there would be no point ring-fencing a specified percentage of that cash for all NHS trusts etc.
I'm all for giving local NHS staff more autonomy over their budgets. They tend to know more than Whitehall wonks and politicians about how best to spend money - providing, as you say, it is not all wasted on labour costs.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:43 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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The NHS needs to start ring-fencing parts of it's budget (as should many/all large government departments, IMO).
What generally happens is the government announce a (large) cash injection and most of that is immediately claimed via union led pay rise demands and the importation of extra layers of administration. In the NHS, patient care then hardly changes - and certainly not in any relation to the extra cash.
Money intended to buy incubators for premature babies should not (be able to) find it's way into the IT department and shiny new Apple Macs for the enlarged administration office staff.
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southbankbornnbred
12:37 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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Sven,
Spot on, mate.
It's nauseating from all sides. I've been a few of those carefully-planned media opps in the past (Blair, Brown, Cameron, Clegg etc). They are horrifically stage-managed, and there's often an activist of some sort waiting to pounce on aforementioned politicians.
It was like a terribly predictable form of performance art!
I'm not a Conservative, but ironically I found that the one of the few politicians to come out of those events looking and sounding like a human being was Eric Pickles (believe it or not). I shadowed him for a day in Swindon while he visited staff and families receiving support as part of Whitehall's "troubled families" programme (run by Louise Casey).
Pickles was pounced upon by a few activists (all of whom were making fair points) that day - and actually dealt with them all really admirably: he just stood and talked to them about their concerns, told them what he was planning, told them what he couldn't afford to fund, and even invited them to join him on one of his visits that day. It completely threw the campaigners - they didn't know what to do and refused to come! When Pickles got to the crisis centre, he then sat and spent 45 minutes genuinely listening to and comforting a family whose daughter had been taken into care because of her repeat offending etc.
The bloke actually came across as a human being, rather than a political autobot.
But to have seen all of that, the media and public would have had to spend several hours with him, the campaigners and others - and few people have the time. So we all see those set-piece incidents we saw yesterday instead.
I blame those pesky journalists - can't trust any of them!
;-)
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w4hammer
12:22 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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Mid Staffs Hospital anyone- over 1000, yes 1000 killed by a non performing authority under Labour government control
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/06/mid-staffs-hospital-scandal-guide
the insane rush to PFI and bills that we will all continue to pay for decades - under Gordon Fucking Brown..
The NHS is a fucking basket case and you could double the expenditure and people and nothing would change
Oh and by the way my lad is living in amsterdam now and at uni there...he has to pay 100 euros a month to be in the Dutch healthcare system- all this pious " IT SHOULD BE FREE FOR EVERYONE " need to face the facts that the NHS and the way it runs has allowed a nation of utter cunts to abuse it...im all for a two three or five tier heath system,. Bringit fucking on
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riosleftsock
12:14 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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What happened to the Nurse of the Year award?
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stewie griffin
10:19 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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Whipps has always been shit. Hardly a revelation.
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master
10:16 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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The hospital's chief executive later admitted there had been a temporary staff shortage on the ward on Tuesday night, caused by "an unexpected emergency in one part of the hospital"
Fair enough. Doesn't seem 'destroyed'.
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Sven Roeder
10:10 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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Agree with that southbank.
That’s what politics is all about these days.
Photo ops and bombing photo ops
Nothing is a discussion or a meeting of minds.
It’s all ‘we are right and you are cunts’.
All played out for social media in everybodies little echo chambers.
Fuck the lot of them.
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BRANDED
9:34 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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Did she mention that 60 Tory MPs and Peers have links to private health care when outing the Labour activist?
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yngwies Cat
2:12 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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Would Laura get that wonky jaw fixed on the NHS?
I very much doubt it.
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BRANDED
1:22 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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It’s not a private hospital. It’s the NHS. It’s a public institution that has had its budgets controlled by Tory governments for nine years. When a Prime Minister goes there he’s doing so to publicise some policy. It’s perfectly reasonable for someone else to pint out an alternative narrative in front of the press who were there for the Prime minister.
The staff would have been trying to help his child.
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southbankbornnbred
1:15 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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You're desperate to be "right" about it - quite possibly because of your own political view - so, yes, you can have it if it makes you feel warm.
But, to me, they really are all as bad as each other in incidents like this.
The people who really don't need the nonsense are the staff at the hospital. They could probably do without the distractions created by Boris, the activist and the media.
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BRANDED
1:04 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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So, he did what was perfectly normal for him to do relating to his family?
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southbankbornnbred
12:56 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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I do think it was a mistake for Kuenssberg to publicise the man's Twitter feed, though.
Whether intended or not, no doubt it has led to the bloke getting a load of direct abuse on social media. Which, if his child is ill (no reason to doubt that) he doesn't need that.
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southbankbornnbred
12:53 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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I have absolutely no idea.
But I'm not surprised that a man who used to work for a shadow cabinet minister, and who is a self-declared political "activist", took it upon himself to confront a senior political opponent about their handling of the NHS, all in front of the world's media, during a highly-staged hospital visit by said politician.
They're both "performing" for the cameras in that sense.
I don't know whether the activist knew Boris would be there (I suspect he did) or happened to take advantage of an unplanned opportunity. But as a declared "activist" is anybody surprised that he seized the opportunity?
Hence, Kuenssberg was correct to point out that that man is a self-declared political activist. It provides the watching public with context - and that's her job.
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BRANDED
12:38 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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Do you think the labour man rushed to the hospital to confront him? I'm curious as to whether he really used the opportunity or just happened to be there. If he just happened to be there then his comments were perfectly honourable. If he rushed to confront then I think he had every right to do so.
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Any Old Iron
12:36 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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Sven Roeder 3:14 Fri Aug 30
"She does seem to steam up the misogynistic anti-Semitic Brexit racists"
That comment is breathtakingly dishones coming from a Labour supporter when you look at the huge number of racists in your party.
You truly are a snidey little cunt aren't you.
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southbankbornnbred
12:33 Thu Sep 19
Re: Laura Kuenssberg
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Boris's media team almost certainly played a part in setting up the visit to Whipps Cross hospital.
That's how it works - that's one of the reasons why he was there, posing in front of the cameras.
He's trying to start an election campaign without having actually been in a position to call an election.
So the Tory team set up the visit, with the full intention of the cameras being there. And the activist took advantage of that situation in order to confront Boris over a major concern of his.
It's not rocket science - they were both grandstanding in their own way.
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